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but on the other hand it will be up to a lot of the debates in the future, especially joe biden to get out there and say this is what paul ryan stands for. you cut a third out of medicaid, you're putting a lot of families and elderly people out on the street. that is not rhetoric. that is how bad it would be. you have to demonstrate that. you might say it's bigger than big bird. >> and let's remember that after this debate, mitt romney is still on the losing side politically of the medicare issue which the obama campaign knows and they've got a new ad about that now. let's watch that. >> victims. dependent. that's what mitt romney called 47% of americans, including people on medicare. and what about his plan for you? romney would replace guaranteed benefits with a voucher system. seniors could pay $6,000 more a year. a plan aarp says would undermine medicare. you're no victim. you earned your benefits. don't let mitt romney take them away. >> well, krystal, that's what happens with someone who says my job is not to care about those people. >> it's devastating. and as we've seen from ro
but on the other hand it will be up to a lot of the debates in the future, especially joe biden to get out there and say this is what paul ryan stands for. you cut a third out of medicaid, you're putting a lot of families and elderly people out on the street. that is not rhetoric. that is how bad it would be. you have to demonstrate that. you might say it's bigger than big bird. >> and let's remember that after this debate, mitt romney is still on the losing side politically of the...
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biden has to stop the momentum from romney. romney/ryan has the momentum. it is to joe biden. ga.l loo fhe if l a democratic convention, i think that joe biden did a better job of driving the message home than president obama did. we remember him saying, g.m.'s ale and bin laden's dead. if he canet mab >>tagn j vice-president biden than paul ryan? >> i think he needs to go back for the president and go hard on offense. i think you will see him hit real hard on the auto bailout and dha sep rnd . rvo fnd and mitt romney opposed it. >> greta: the president admits he had a bad night. how does he recover? >> he has a sports mentality. i thi it was smart to publicly ny thisdoabit thhe cin pithe go at romney. but the obama campaign of attack romney, after he won the debate. i thought that was an odd strategy because we will have to see president obama on the attack. th's what rishre wdegp, se in date.m that's where obama has to be on the attack, but also not look too mean because he does have the likeable edge over mitt romney. he can't lose that. >> greta: how do do youhat pren antk
biden has to stop the momentum from romney. romney/ryan has the momentum. it is to joe biden. ga.l loo fhe if l a democratic convention, i think that joe biden did a better job of driving the message home than president obama did. we remember him saying, g.m.'s ale and bin laden's dead. if he canet mab >>tagn j vice-president biden than paul ryan? >> i think he needs to go back for the president and go hard on offense. i think you will see him hit real hard on the auto bailout and...
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joe biden proved that last night. and as winston churchill once said, i like a man who grins when he fights. this is "the ed show." let's get to work. >>> these are the folks who talk about 47% of the american people being unwilling to take responsibility. it's about time governor romney takes some responsibility. >> the vice president keeps the hits coming after his knockout debate with paul ryan. >> stop talking about how you care about people. show me something. >> richard wolffe on the education of congressman paul ryan. >> ronald reagan -- >> now you're jack kennedy? >> ronald reagan -- >> "now's" terri o'neal on the romney ticket's disaster for women. >> if the romney/ryan ticket is elected should those that believe abortion should remain legal be worried? >> david cay johnston on ryan's sixth study lie. >> can you guarantee this math will add up? >> absolutely. six studies have guaranteed. >> and what's more disrespectful? lying to america or interrupting a guy who's lying to america? >> it was openly contemptu
joe biden proved that last night. and as winston churchill once said, i like a man who grins when he fights. this is "the ed show." let's get to work. >>> these are the folks who talk about 47% of the american people being unwilling to take responsibility. it's about time governor romney takes some responsibility. >> the vice president keeps the hits coming after his knockout debate with paul ryan. >> stop talking about how you care about people. show me...
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joe biden versus joe biden. ryan barely showed up. he passed the threshold and did fine but if you like sneering attacks from this kind of senator, you're going to love it. >> wow. >> sneering attacks from this pompous old senator. >> but if -- >> not a joe biden fan. >> i am a joe biden fan. if you think joe biden is over the top you're going to not like it. you saw the reactions kind of split down the middle. >> if you think -- every seniority yen human being thinks joe biden is over the top. >> joe biden -- >> hold on. >> he came in with this cultural expectation, courtesy of the onion he was going to take his shirt off and rather up the podium. like he has a lot of room to run. >> i don't think statesman is a word you particularly associate with vice president biden. he was not statesman-like yesterday. he wasn't supposed to be. it's not the training that he got to go out there. he was going to go out there and beat up romney and he did that. >> by the way, the fact that the republicans are making a big deal about whether he was s
joe biden versus joe biden. ryan barely showed up. he passed the threshold and did fine but if you like sneering attacks from this kind of senator, you're going to love it. >> wow. >> sneering attacks from this pompous old senator. >> but if -- >> not a joe biden fan. >> i am a joe biden fan. if you think joe biden is over the top you're going to not like it. you saw the reactions kind of split down the middle. >> if you think -- every seniority yen human...
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dagen: joe biden did do one thing. he went back and started to read frame the conversation and brought up the points the president overlooked in the first debate particularly -- >> 47%, every single answer. when talking about the military or commitment of our soldiers and 47%. i did think most missed their opportunity. you could save at about every debate. to your point in the beginning whether it moves the needle, probably not. last week's debate did. the president is going to want to stop that and at least get people to stop worrying about this ticket. joe biden if he did nothing more than that succeeded. we will see. dagen: great to see you. hold on. make sure tomorrow morning the cost of freedom business block is why i've in washington d.c.. neil: an issue that never came up. the train wreck economy. dagen: on the top of some building with your hair blowing in the wind. neil: it is the helmet. [talking over each other] dagen: people always thought -- dagen: people think you have a rug but you don't. it is true. con
dagen: joe biden did do one thing. he went back and started to read frame the conversation and brought up the points the president overlooked in the first debate particularly -- >> 47%, every single answer. when talking about the military or commitment of our soldiers and 47%. i did think most missed their opportunity. you could save at about every debate. to your point in the beginning whether it moves the needle, probably not. last week's debate did. the president is going to want to...
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that now goes to joe biden. the happiest clappiest guy i have ever seen. >> stephanie: yeah isn't that something. we were just comparing it to the great bill clinton tape. there really is something to be said for jumping down. >> bill clinton jumping up and down? >> stephanie: yes. >> and the guy has had bypass surgery, can you calm it down a notch, bill. but exactly, he was amazing. who are you going to believe me or your lying eyes. joe biden did everything you predicted, stephanie. you predicted this was going to happen. >> stephanie: i said he is going to make mincemeat out of him. >> you did. and who eats mincemeat anyway? >> stephanie: i don't know. >> here is what is so interesting about the whole process. is you get these moments. there was one moment late in the debate, and you talked about it earlier on where they got into choice, they got into abortion and here was paul ryan saying our ticket believes absolutely we don't want unelected judges making this decision. wouldn't you have loved to have a tap
that now goes to joe biden. the happiest clappiest guy i have ever seen. >> stephanie: yeah isn't that something. we were just comparing it to the great bill clinton tape. there really is something to be said for jumping down. >> bill clinton jumping up and down? >> stephanie: yes. >> and the guy has had bypass surgery, can you calm it down a notch, bill. but exactly, he was amazing. who are you going to believe me or your lying eyes. joe biden did everything you...
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joe biden. >> oh, joe biden probably uncle owen. >> cenk: i don't remember uncle owen. >> who was my surrogate father. supportive, a little bit surly. >> cenk: that's funny we went with chewbacca because he's enthusiastic passionate, loyal sidekick. >> everybody loves a wookie. i'm not talking to people with news busters but everybody loves joe biden. >> cenk: how about obama. >> he's very wise. he has got this sort of probably across between obi wan and yoda. i so revere him. i'll go with obi wan. >> i respect him as well, so we decided he was luke skywalker. >> oh my gosh. >> cenk: the guy who was going to heal the planet. >> that's right. which is mocked by the right. what is so terrible. >> cenk: it would be great if we healed the planet. it would be terrific. mark hamill. thank you so much. we appreciate it. and the elbow of the day. oh, eliot spitzer. >> eliot: you almost forgot about it. cenk, i'm not going to let you forget that again. your you're going to be sitting next to me tomorrow night. you better be nice to me. we have governor granholm coming up about what it's like
joe biden. >> oh, joe biden probably uncle owen. >> cenk: i don't remember uncle owen. >> who was my surrogate father. supportive, a little bit surly. >> cenk: that's funny we went with chewbacca because he's enthusiastic passionate, loyal sidekick. >> everybody loves a wookie. i'm not talking to people with news busters but everybody loves joe biden. >> cenk: how about obama. >> he's very wise. he has got this sort of probably across between obi wan...
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but that hasn't stopped him from giving advice to joe biden. >> what's your message to joe biden, about tomorrow night? >> well, i -- you know, i think joe needs to be joe. congressman ryan is... a smart and effective speaker. but his ideas are the wrong ones. and joe understands that. >> sean: so, should vice-president biden take his boss's advice? joining us, our political panel, michael crowley, bobcu sack john mccormick. michael, joe will be joe -- is that good advice? >> up to a point. there is good joe and bad joe. so joe needs to moderate his joe-ness. his strength is that i think he can come across as a little bit more of an every man than the president and he will go after paul ryan on the ryan plan and the budget that ryan and romney are running on, saying it favors the wealthy and it will cut medicare, a very popular entitlements program. you don't want joe doing his gaffe thing, getting carried away. i think he does that more often in crowd it's. >> and speeches. >> he is pretty goods in the debates and against palin last time around. >> i think there is -- it's a fascinatin
but that hasn't stopped him from giving advice to joe biden. >> what's your message to joe biden, about tomorrow night? >> well, i -- you know, i think joe needs to be joe. congressman ryan is... a smart and effective speaker. but his ideas are the wrong ones. and joe understands that. >> sean: so, should vice-president biden take his boss's advice? joining us, our political panel, michael crowley, bobcu sack john mccormick. michael, joe will be joe -- is that good advice?...
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obama was from the midwest joe biden from the east. obama was older. joe biden older. joe biden experienced. obama not. lbj and kennedy didn't get along. these guys got along. the number one test of the vice president is on day one, would you be ready to serve as president should the bat phone ring with bad news. everybody agrees that biden is ready. paul ryan, i think it's the mixed bag. on one hand, he brings part of what sarah palin brought, and that was among some younger conservatives among some of the far right of the republican party. he's a bit of a rock star. seen as policy block. a numbers guy, his positions on social social security and medicare, perhaps outside the main stream have resonated very well with the far right of the party who has never been trusted of romney the moderate. on the other hand part of the presence on the trick has been it's been a distractions for romney and that the democrats can make fair game by saying this is a guy that pushed vouchers for social security. it's a guy that set a extreme position on abortion rights. and any time of
obama was from the midwest joe biden from the east. obama was older. joe biden older. joe biden experienced. obama not. lbj and kennedy didn't get along. these guys got along. the number one test of the vice president is on day one, would you be ready to serve as president should the bat phone ring with bad news. everybody agrees that biden is ready. paul ryan, i think it's the mixed bag. on one hand, he brings part of what sarah palin brought, and that was among some younger conservatives...
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i bet joe biden's a little nervous. >> joe, i want to ask you about this. he will be a formidable opponent as far as knowing the inside baseball policies of what's been happening on the hill. paul ryan has basically grown up inside the capitol. >> well, i think there are real advantages for ryan, too. he comes across as sincere and likable like the guy who lives next door to you and i think that's a huge advantage to do that. second of all, the vice president is going to have defend everything about their administration -- the mediocrity of the economy, the failure in foreign policy and so forth. and let's face it, joe biden has had his share of being the punch line on the talk shows and the comedy shows quite a bit, and there's always that opportunity with joe biden we're going to see some major gaffe again. >> all right, so, let's see if the kids in college for thursday night start a drinking game for how many times they hear big bird mentioned between the vice president ticket-holders. jonathan capehart, karen finney and john brebender, thank you for joi
i bet joe biden's a little nervous. >> joe, i want to ask you about this. he will be a formidable opponent as far as knowing the inside baseball policies of what's been happening on the hill. paul ryan has basically grown up inside the capitol. >> well, i think there are real advantages for ryan, too. he comes across as sincere and likable like the guy who lives next door to you and i think that's a huge advantage to do that. second of all, the vice president is going to have defend...
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it was the aggressive joe biden, democrats wanted and it was an aggressive joe biden they got. >> it has been done couple of times >> it has never -- >> [ inaudible ] >> oh, now you are john kennedy. it shouldn't be surprising for a guy who says 47% of americans are unwilling to take responsibility for their own lives. >> biden was caught smirking smiling, and even laughing through much of the debate. not sure how you could not laugh because of the lies coming from ryan. according to the twitter verse biden's most popular remark of the night was when he asked ryan now you are jack kennedy. that lead to more than 7,000 tweets per minute. we will have more on the debates coming up on bill press and on our current news updates. join us in our chat room current.com/bill press. see you there. [ dennis' voice ] i bet he's got an allstate agent. they can save you up to 30% more by bundling your policies. well his dog's stupid. [ dennis' voice ] poodles are one of the world's smartest breeds. are you in good hands? [ ryan ] it doesn't get any better than endless shrimp at red lobster. you ca
it was the aggressive joe biden, democrats wanted and it was an aggressive joe biden they got. >> it has been done couple of times >> it has never -- >> [ inaudible ] >> oh, now you are john kennedy. it shouldn't be surprising for a guy who says 47% of americans are unwilling to take responsibility for their own lives. >> biden was caught smirking smiling, and even laughing through much of the debate. not sure how you could not laugh because of the lies coming from...
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joe biden has to not only defend the president and attack paul ryan for his libertarian ideas, joe biden has to defend social security and medicare and the very idea of the usefulness and the importance of government in sharing responsibility in america, a big, heavy lift for joe biden tomorrow night. >> it's a heavy lift, howard, i agree, but it's also right in his wheelhouse. everyone in this country knows his middle class background. he is true to his value of helping the middle class. he legislated that way for 30 years in the senate. some think that joe biden's been put in an untenable position, a tough position. but isn't this good for biden? and i think for the president to come out and say joe's got to be joe, that's kind of saying, joe, you go out there and let them have it, isn't it? >> well, yeah, and joe biden, after all, was in the senate for 37 years. he was very much a part of the democratic party establishment and democratic party ideology about the role of helping the poor and the middle class through cooperative effort and through government programs. and he's going to
joe biden has to not only defend the president and attack paul ryan for his libertarian ideas, joe biden has to defend social security and medicare and the very idea of the usefulness and the importance of government in sharing responsibility in america, a big, heavy lift for joe biden tomorrow night. >> it's a heavy lift, howard, i agree, but it's also right in his wheelhouse. everyone in this country knows his middle class background. he is true to his value of helping the middle class....
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i think that underestimates joe biden. what paul ryan said is true he he has been doing this for 40 years and he will be on message. he has something else, is too. barack obama felt con strained to go after mitt romney with some of the lines, 47%, bain capital. he was going to look presidential. joe biden is going to throw everything and the kitchen sink at paul ryan and paul ryan's job has to be to not only meet that and turn it but also continue to do the sort of positive message that romney did in his debate. >> chris: there is the perception that bide season a loose cannon and a gaffe machine and i asked paul ryan about this last week and he said not in the highly visible highly structured events. he is disciplined and has been studying all of his debates. what do you expect from the vice president? >> i think that is true and if you you remember a lot of his gaffes, a, usually aren't covered by the media and b, are often sort of humorous but not damaging in the sense that he is changing policy or putting something out
i think that underestimates joe biden. what paul ryan said is true he he has been doing this for 40 years and he will be on message. he has something else, is too. barack obama felt con strained to go after mitt romney with some of the lines, 47%, bain capital. he was going to look presidential. joe biden is going to throw everything and the kitchen sink at paul ryan and paul ryan's job has to be to not only meet that and turn it but also continue to do the sort of positive message that romney...
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bob dole said he expects joe biden to come out swinging and not to let up. and in this race -- a race this close, this might even make a difference, not a whole lot but enough to measure. larry? >> john harwood, thank you very much. we appreciate it. >>> mitt romney's taken his post-debate momentum straight on to team obama turf. this is interesting. obama's lost his hold on florida, virginia and ohio. those number have now gone to romney. romney has now gone behind enemy lines to challenge in michigan and pennsylvania. that's also new. all this comes as the romney rally continues in the latest polls. rasmussen has romney up by one. investors business daily has romney leading obama by five, 49-44. there's the daily tracking poll. with tomorrow night's debate, won't the inevitable paul ryan victory just send team obama over the edge into the looney bin? well, that's kind of the way i see it. but there may be some disagreement. we have karen finney, columnest for "the hill." and kate obenshane. ms. finney, this is the way i look t it. romney is smarter than bi
bob dole said he expects joe biden to come out swinging and not to let up. and in this race -- a race this close, this might even make a difference, not a whole lot but enough to measure. larry? >> john harwood, thank you very much. we appreciate it. >>> mitt romney's taken his post-debate momentum straight on to team obama turf. this is interesting. obama's lost his hold on florida, virginia and ohio. those number have now gone to romney. romney has now gone behind enemy lines...
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i don't think they will raise it to -- >> joe biden may have been tipped it. he tipped it. it is the shummerplan . tax cuts will be gone and barack obama if someone passed the extension they will be gone. if mitt romney is reelected and you get a republican senate you will have an extension of one year of all of the bush tax cuts while governor romney works on the tax reform. i think we will get hit with is a pay roll tax cut that we got several years ago. they cut it from 6-4 that is a $1,000 on a family. >> we have gotten used to that. and no one is mentioning that. and a $2000 on a family making a thousand. this is tremendous hit and my understanding that both parties agreed that has to lapse. but at our economy of 1.4 that a tremendous growth. >> it is slower now than when the president justified pushing back the rate hikes. >> you cannot let taxes go up. >> isn't there more justification now? >> if you took economic reality and you took even the democratic idea of economics. you don't raise taxing on an economy that is slowing down to one percent. >> chuck schumer will
i don't think they will raise it to -- >> joe biden may have been tipped it. he tipped it. it is the shummerplan . tax cuts will be gone and barack obama if someone passed the extension they will be gone. if mitt romney is reelected and you get a republican senate you will have an extension of one year of all of the bush tax cuts while governor romney works on the tax reform. i think we will get hit with is a pay roll tax cut that we got several years ago. they cut it from 6-4 that is a...
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it's 0-for-3. >> i like that. >> eliot: send that on to joe biden. he can use that, too. we'll be here thursday night and we'll be here with popcorn and soda. jennifer granholm, thank you so much for your time. looking forward to seeing you for our coverage. >> youyou betcha. >> eliot: a billionaire resort owner tells his employees they may lose their jobs if barack obama gets reelect: that's next in my view. but first, a reminder tomorrow night join me along with cenk uygur, john fugelsang and governor jennifer granholm as we cover the vice presidential debate. al be an exciting match up. here on current tv. more "viewpoint" coming right up. (vo) what is said here could decide the election. current tv presents coverage of the vice presidential debate. with unrivaled analysis and commentary. >> was this the game changer? is this going to change the dynamic? (vo) the only network with real-time reaction straight from the campaigns and from viewers like you. >> so keep on tweeting and maybe you'll have your voice be part of this democracy and see your tweets up on our scree
it's 0-for-3. >> i like that. >> eliot: send that on to joe biden. he can use that, too. we'll be here thursday night and we'll be here with popcorn and soda. jennifer granholm, thank you so much for your time. looking forward to seeing you for our coverage. >> youyou betcha. >> eliot: a billionaire resort owner tells his employees they may lose their jobs if barack obama gets reelect: that's next in my view. but first, a reminder tomorrow night join me along with cenk...
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and i hope that joe biden remembers to bring this up tomorrow. it is a fundamental issue in states like pennsylvania and ohio, michigan, and wisconsin. >> and john, how aggressive should joe biden, the vice president, get in tomorrow's debate? should he pounce on this auto loan? >> i sure hope he does. because the fact of the matter is, the auto loan issue is one of the core messages that came out of that democratic national convention. if you look at what really connected with people, what they got, it was the idea that this administration went to the mat to save an american industry. that's fdr kind of stuff. and i happen to think, you can't go wrong with it. >> now, mitt romney says that he hadn't had a debate, his partner hasn't had a debate since high school. what are we expecting from paul ryan in tomorrow night's debate? >> mitt romney ought to get to know his campaign partner, his running mate. paul ryan has been in debates, in most of his congressional races. he's been in television debates, in town hall debates, and i would remind peopl
and i hope that joe biden remembers to bring this up tomorrow. it is a fundamental issue in states like pennsylvania and ohio, michigan, and wisconsin. >> and john, how aggressive should joe biden, the vice president, get in tomorrow's debate? should he pounce on this auto loan? >> i sure hope he does. because the fact of the matter is, the auto loan issue is one of the core messages that came out of that democratic national convention. if you look at what really connected with...
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joe biden is one of the people who felt they shouldn't be numbering jobs. they should be talking about the new new deal aspects of it and sympathetic to that view as well. these were understandable mistakes but they were mistakes. anything else? >> [inaudible] >> give everybody a job. private enterprise has to give people jobs. you agree or disagree? >> i agree. one of the things, a lot of debate in the administration that this didn't create government jobs. saves in government jobs at the state level but in the obama era you actually lost public-sector jobs. government has gotten smaller. the private sector may not have done fine as obama said the other day but it is doing better than the public sector. instead, there are funny moments in this book where in the fall of 2009 the same people who did the rubber bernstein report that was so stupid but chris the roemer and jared bernstein were thinking about can we do a wta type of thing. something like that in the act will stimulus where the data wage subsidy program where states and nonprofits could hire peop
joe biden is one of the people who felt they shouldn't be numbering jobs. they should be talking about the new new deal aspects of it and sympathetic to that view as well. these were understandable mistakes but they were mistakes. anything else? >> [inaudible] >> give everybody a job. private enterprise has to give people jobs. you agree or disagree? >> i agree. one of the things, a lot of debate in the administration that this didn't create government jobs. saves in...
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we will begin with dick cheney and john edwards followed by joe biden and sarah palin in 2008. the 1984 debate of george bush and feraro. it all begins this evening at 7:00 eastern on c-span. c-span's campaign 2012 web site provides live and on demand coverage of all the presidential and vice presidential debates. it is the only place he was a live coverage before and after the debates. it has each question as a separate clip where you can watch by topic. read tweaks from political reporters and other actions from the debate hubbub. go to c-span.org/debates. >> mitt romney says that fewer jobs were traded this month than last. this is about 30 minutes. ♪ ♪ >> wow, that is quite a welcome. thank you, virginia. i love you, too, guys. >> mitt, mitt, mitt, mitt! >> thank you. thank you. gosh, just spent a half-hour with your fine citizens who want to keep working in this area. a farm couple wonders if they are going to keep their farm because the man lost his job in the coal mine. these are tough times, but you are strong people and we are going to bring back jobs and bring bac
we will begin with dick cheney and john edwards followed by joe biden and sarah palin in 2008. the 1984 debate of george bush and feraro. it all begins this evening at 7:00 eastern on c-span. c-span's campaign 2012 web site provides live and on demand coverage of all the presidential and vice presidential debates. it is the only place he was a live coverage before and after the debates. it has each question as a separate clip where you can watch by topic. read tweaks from political reporters...
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the vice presidential debate between joe biden and paul ryan. it's reporteded that the president called the vice president and said hey, joe, i didn't show up my for debate last week. be sure to show up for you. a lot of pressure on the vice president. and here is lisa ferguson now in los angeles. good morning. >> hey bill good morning, everybody. mitt romney has a big foreign policy speech this morning and the obama campaign is saying bring it on. romney speaks in lexington today where he is a couple of goals. one he needs to comeback in the foreign policy this year especially after he insulted several countries in his word tour earlier this year. we are expecting him to encourage intervening in syria and avoiding defense cuts next year, and working closely with our allies like israel. and he will portray the president obama as not someone who shows enough strength. team obama is fighting back however. and the president is managing to poke a little fun at himself. here he is last night. >> obama: they just perform flaw leslie, fight after fight
the vice presidential debate between joe biden and paul ryan. it's reporteded that the president called the vice president and said hey, joe, i didn't show up my for debate last week. be sure to show up for you. a lot of pressure on the vice president. and here is lisa ferguson now in los angeles. good morning. >> hey bill good morning, everybody. mitt romney has a big foreign policy speech this morning and the obama campaign is saying bring it on. romney speaks in lexington today where...
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joe biden came in years ago with middle class tax force and by his own admission terribly ineffective and in my opinion offensive. but tracey said taxes are a force and did is a violation of people's rights and that's why paul ryan said growth stagnation and wealth destruction. they will up for everyone despite what the president and his cronies have you believe. >> and british lady, gen, tell mow middle class in england buried in taxes like mr. biden said we are buried here and paul ryan. >> they are buried in the moment. they are dealing with austerit yedebt reduction and so forth. biden and ryan are agreeing. obama hasn't got the middle class out of the hole that happened under george bush's watch and policies of george bush. but look at the review. broadly obama has sought policies to decrease taxes on the middle class. 16 taxings decreased for maul business and 3600 for the class that are done underneath this president. >> it sounds smart because of the accent. wayne, two examples. taxes that are in place and taxes that are coming in the end of the year and alling the class and b
joe biden came in years ago with middle class tax force and by his own admission terribly ineffective and in my opinion offensive. but tracey said taxes are a force and did is a violation of people's rights and that's why paul ryan said growth stagnation and wealth destruction. they will up for everyone despite what the president and his cronies have you believe. >> and british lady, gen, tell mow middle class in england buried in taxes like mr. biden said we are buried here and paul...
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joe biden on style? >> i gave him a c. i thought -- oh, we're going to go through -- >> i gave him a b-plus. >> on biden? b. >> b. all right, so, biden's style, c, b-plus and b. >> the eye rolling was his biggest problem. then, he started with the finger wagging and he went after martha raddatz. the voice got louder. he started screaming and his face started bulging. i thought he looked like my dad does when he watches an obama press conference. >> turned you off? >> i thought he was a mess. >> biden got the job done. he was emotional. he connected with the audience on issues that are emotional. but i also thought that he was passionate. yeah, he laughed, he smiled, you know, he was joe biden. >> he was joe. >> i -- i'm a very tough a, so, i wasn't going to give probably anybody an a. i think he did exactly what he needed to do. the democratic base needed to be energized with some passion, energized with some really tough fight and he did exactly that. >> and he showed up and did that. let's talk about substance. paul ryan
joe biden on style? >> i gave him a c. i thought -- oh, we're going to go through -- >> i gave him a b-plus. >> on biden? b. >> b. all right, so, biden's style, c, b-plus and b. >> the eye rolling was his biggest problem. then, he started with the finger wagging and he went after martha raddatz. the voice got louder. he started screaming and his face started bulging. i thought he looked like my dad does when he watches an obama press conference. >> turned you...
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paul ryan a b and joe biden a b-. here is the wisdom. democrats say joe biden was strong, he was the adult on stage. he stopped the bleeding, such that it was from last week's debate. for republicans paul ryan passed the can he be president threshold and joe biden was rude and arrogant. what say you? >> it's certainly the case. there were some democrats who conceded the point. that's why i gave the vice president a lower grade. the smiles, laughs, smirks. i don't think it changed anything about the race. i think that they both laid down the markers and, again, for their own parties, mostly. the vice president energizing democrats and for paul ryan showing people he was on that stage and not overrun. the vice president clearly dominated the proceedings. >> we have seen paul ryan a lot for those of us who cover politics. we have seen him on press conferences and capitol hill, never in the big lights. how did he do from start to finish? >> you know, again, we were reading the leaves a little bit. i thought he started out nervous. he reacted
paul ryan a b and joe biden a b-. here is the wisdom. democrats say joe biden was strong, he was the adult on stage. he stopped the bleeding, such that it was from last week's debate. for republicans paul ryan passed the can he be president threshold and joe biden was rude and arrogant. what say you? >> it's certainly the case. there were some democrats who conceded the point. that's why i gave the vice president a lower grade. the smiles, laughs, smirks. i don't think it changed anything...
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and he said i don't know joe, i never have enough to do it. >> jennifer: only joe biden can talk by name about the guy at the gas station. he has a big task ahead of him, and paul ryan should be armed, i would imagine with a mind full of numbers and so-called facts. ryan has not debated on this big of a stage before. but he is certainly no novice. joining me with a preview of perhaps the strategy, the expectations for tomorrow's debate is democratic strategy karen skeleton, she was a political strategist for al gore's race and debate against jack kemp and sundheim, who chaired the california republican party during arnold schwarzenegger's governorship. welcome back both of you inside "the war room." >> thank you. first of all, she did a great job in '96. i think that gore really did a great job -- >> jennifer: okay. we're getting right to it. [ laughter ] >> jennifer: karen what are your fears about the debate tomorrow? >> i would say first of all, you know, i hope he doesn't become condescending >> jennifer: joe biden. >> yeah, because there is such an age gap and experience gap. the mo
and he said i don't know joe, i never have enough to do it. >> jennifer: only joe biden can talk by name about the guy at the gas station. he has a big task ahead of him, and paul ryan should be armed, i would imagine with a mind full of numbers and so-called facts. ryan has not debated on this big of a stage before. but he is certainly no novice. joining me with a preview of perhaps the strategy, the expectations for tomorrow's debate is democratic strategy karen skeleton, she was a...